Talk:Main Page

Ideas
I thought it would be a good idea to collect some ideas both about content and about administrative pages needed. For those who want to contribute, but are not familiar with how a wiki works something like First Steps would be helpful. We could link to a community portal on the left menu and link to such pages from there. Maybe a Current Events page would be nice, too. Some default administrative pages have still to be filled, too, but I will leave this to Jason for now. We'll certainly also see on the way what we need.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 15:41, 22 July 2014 (MDT)
 * Yes, I am open to any and all ideas, and I consider this a community wiki (not my website). :) Sylvia, you are more than welcome to create a First Steps page if you wish. To separate administrative pages from content pages, do we want admin pages to begin with "Wiki:X", where "X" is the name of the admin page (such as First Steps)? --Jason (talk) 15:47, 22 July 2014 (MDT)
 * Yes, I think we should separate them this way. I will think about the content of a First Steps page. I could link it from the main page for now. --Sylvia Anna (talk) 16:00, 22 July 2014 (MDT)
 * Works for me! --Jason (talk) 16:08, 22 July 2014 (MDT)

I have just created the pages "About RufusWainwright.wiki" and "First steps" and linked them on the main page. I would like to leave the pages "Copyrights" (linked underneath the text fields and in "First steps"), "Privacy Policy" and "Disclaimer" to you, Jason, as the official creator of this site. And because this is a US based site I am not sure what they should say exactly. --Sylvia Anna (talk) 04:50, 23 July 2014 (MDT)

Categories
I have started to build a category system, as I think it is important to have categories well organized. It starts with the page Category:Contents. This one contains all the main categories which then contain their subcategories as well as pages. When categorising pages one should have a look into this system to see into what categories a page fits best. A page should not be put at the same time into a category and a subcategory of this category, i. e. don't put the page "Poses (song)" into category "Albums" and category "Poses", but put it into the category "Poses".--Sylvia Anna (talk) 14:35, 23 July 2014 (MDT)
 * But isn't that what we have done for the album articles? --Jason (talk) 14:38, 23 July 2014 (MDT)
 * Apparently yes. I haven't checked things thus far yet. The article Want One should only be in category "Want One", not in "Albums", for example. That's why I think it is important to think about the basics of a useful tree of categories before too many articles are created.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 14:51, 23 July 2014 (MDT)
 * Understood. Sounds good!, and pardon my eagerness. Part of my motivation is just to provide examples for other contributors to copy. --Jason (talk) 14:55, 23 July 2014 (MDT)

Yeah, it's good to have examples for other contributors. It's also good to start with organizing categories as soon as possible. --Sylvia Anna (talk) 15:07, 23 July 2014 (MDT)

Song categories
Also on the topic of categorization, we should discuss how we want to categorize songs. Obviously, most songs are written and performed by Rufus, but obviously he has performed many covers and has also written songs performed by others. I propose that we at least have categories for songwriters and also producers, so "Songs written by X" and "Song recordings produced by X". This is in line with Wikipedia's categorization system for songs. Thoughts or suggestions? --Jason (talk) 15:00, 23 July 2014 (MDT)
 * How about categories for songwriters like himself of course and Leonard Cohen, as he has recorded more than one song written by LC. I would not create a category for every single songwriter he has sung a song by. I would also wait with categories for producers. Doesn't sound so important to me now. With categories less is sometimes more, I believe. Let's start with the really important ones and then see.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 15:07, 23 July 2014 (MDT)

Portals
Normally portals are pages that give an overview about a certain topic and include links to articles and categories concerning this topic. I guess the links on the main page are meant this way. What struck me is that there is an albums portal, a songs portal and a discography portal. If we have separate albums and songs portals, what is the discography portal there for? And there is a biography portal and a family portal. Can't the family portal be included into the biography portal? I also think the portal pages should get their distinctive look, like a border, maybe in a different colour than the main page.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 11:34, 24 July 2014 (MDT)
 * Still waiting for an answer, Jason. Also wondering what the Performances portal should be like as opposed to the Tour portal.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 13:21, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The Albums portal could focus on just his studio and live albums. The Songs portal could be a listing of all the songs he has written and performed. The Discography could list his studio and live albums, but with less detail, and also include compilation and soundtrack appearances. Something similar to his discography at Wikipedia. IMO, the Biography page would focus solely on Rufus (mentioning family members), while the Family page would go into more detail about Loudon, Kate, Martha, Lucy, Jorn, Viva, etc. I was wondering about Tour vs. Performances yesterday, and my thinking is that the Tour portal is about concerts while the Performances portal is more about media appearances... television, talk shows, late night shows, random projects like the gum sketch (Funny or Die?), etc. Perhaps Performances is not the right title? Seems like more of a catch-all. No problem with color themes or borders for the different portals--sounds great! -Jason (talk) 14:30, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I think portals should give an overview of a basic, comprehensive topic. Portals with little content and too narrow a topic don't make much sense. I am thinking of creating five portals: "Biography" would contain Rufus himself, family and other persons, like people mentioned in songs. "Discography" would contain albums, songs, dvds and awards. "Performances" would contain tour concerts and other performances. "Press" would stay the way it is. "Other works" (or some better title) would contain the operas, the Sonnets and other works outside his singer-songwriter discography.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 14:07, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Personally, I like separating info out a bit more, but I don't feel too strongly either way. We can always add Portals or split content as Portals and pages become longer. You are more than welcome to do an overhaul as you see fit! :) -Jason (talk) 14:33, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, we can split portals later provided we have sufficient content for them. Or maybe build sub-portals. Though, the main content is in the articles linked from them anyway. I will start the overhaul later today, so we have a starting point.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 14:41, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds great! Looking forward! And thanks for chiming in over at RWMB. I hope a few more people come over and contribute to the wiki. :) -Jason (talk) 15:01, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

I see the Discography page is now at the Portal space (Portal:Discography). Will you be moving the other portal pages to this space, too? (Never mind, I see those pages being moved now.) Also, I do like having fewer portals, but I would recommend having separate portals for Biography and Family. I can see the Family page growing quickly, with sections for each family member and a section for close family friends, perhaps. -Jason (talk) 16:16, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * But what would the biography portal contain then but a link to the article about Rufus? I have just put a bit content in the biography portal so you can see how I intend to design it for now.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 16:41, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean now. -Jason (talk) 16:46, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Naming convention for individual concerts?
I think it would be great if we had entries for individuals concerts/performances. How should we name these entries? By date? (January 1, 2014 or 1 January 2014) By another convention? These pages could display reviews, set lists, pictures, comments, etc. -Jason (talk) 17:59, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Alternative logo


How would you like this as a logo?--Sylvia Anna (talk) 21:25, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Not bad, but I almost wish we could replace the treble sign with the gold structure from the Want One album cover, or something else more closely related to Rufus. The current circular text logo was inspired by the text design on the Out of the Game cover, with typeface more similar to text on his self-titled album cover. Are there any other symbols relevant to Rufus and his music? -Jason (talk) 21:53, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The current logo doesn't remind me of Out of the Game or his debut album at all. I could replace the treble sign with a lily similar to the one in the Montreal coat of arms if you like this better. I have a rather simple program I use for these things. My forces are limited in this respect.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 22:08, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. I can also change colours if you like. Maybe some red colours.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 22:13, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't see the amended version, but maybe it has not been uploaded to the wiki yet. What about removing the "RW" and just having the stylized text Rufus Wainwright .wiki, plus a symbol? -Jason (talk) 22:32, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It's here. Maybe you have to reload. And I think the initials are beautiful. Hmmm.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 22:44, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see now! Just had to give it a minute to update. Between the two, I think the treble sign is more intuitive. I'll also come up with some other stylized "RW" logos if you have an affinity for his initials. Hoping other board members participate, and do be sure to share if you come up with additional artwork, too! :) -Jason (talk) 23:01, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I really love the typeface on RufusWainwright.com now. Just a simply banner with his name, an interesting font. I think it is also used for the "best of" compilation cover? -Jason (talk) 23:03, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I have uploaded the version with the treble again, so we can compare both. Yes I like the initials, especially with a font like the one I have used here. Looks elegant, but clear I think.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 11:51, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Another try with a round design.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 15:44, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Ooh, I really like the round one! But, could you rotate the "wiki" text sot that it displays upright? Can you remind me of the significance of the flour-de-lis? -Jason (talk) 15:57, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I can try to rotate it. Hope I manage to make it look good then. The fleur-de-lis is in the coat of arms of Montreal, where - as you know - Rufus grew up. AFAIK, Kate loved it. And Rufus has been seen wearing it, too.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 16:18, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. I am not sure how many people know how the symbol relates to Rufus, but regardless, the logo looks great! Once the "wiki" text has been rotated, I'd be happy to make it the official logo of the wiki! Thanks so much for your work on this. :) -Jason (talk) 16:20, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

The latest version looks great, Syvlia! Shall I make this the default (official) logo? -Jason (talk) 19:06, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I have just uploaded the newest version with a little bit more space between "Rufus" and "Wainwright". I would be delighted if this became the new logo.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 19:18, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Consider it done! :) -Jason (talk) 19:23, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Current design
Sylvia, as I said in the edit summary, please feel free to revert, adjust design, colors, prose, or otherwise improve in any way you see fit. -Jason (talk) 00:51, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 21:16, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons
Just a quick reminder: This wiki includes the Instant Commons extension, which means you can use any images uploaded at Wikimedia Commons, the free media repository. You might find images in the Rufus Wainwright category particular helpful, if you are not already familiar. Thanks! -Jason (talk) 19:49, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Wiki.Wiki description
I created a page at Wiki.Wiki (the network of wikis which hosts this RW.wiki) about this project, which can be viewed at http://wiki.wiki/RufusWainwright.wiki. Feel free to expand the entry if you wish! -Jason (talk) 14:46, 16 January 2015 (PST)

Collaboration?
Sylvia Anna, i am so glad we have this wiki to contribute to, but I was hoping more RWMB members would also enjoy adding lyrics, bios, news articles, etc. Can you think of a collaboration or another way to encourage participation by others at RWMB? I've posted on the Facebook group a couple times, too, and members seem really excited about the idea of the wiki, but don't contribute much yet. Just curious if we could come up with a fun way to increase engagement. -Jason (talk) 08:14, 9 February 2015 (PST)
 * I think one thing is that people don't have experience with wikis. Another issue is time. Are you on the app? Have you thought of introducing the wiki there?--Sylvia Anna (talk) 14:10, 12 February 2015 (PST)

Wiki.Wiki leader boards
RufusWainwright.wiki is on ALL FOUR of Wiki.Wiki's leader boards:
 * https://wiki.wiki/Wikis_by_number_of_content_pages
 * https://wiki.wiki/Wikis_by_number_of_pages
 * https://wiki.wiki/Wikis_by_number_of_registered_users
 * https://wiki.wiki/Wikis_by_number_of_total_views

Well done, and keep up the great work! :) -Jason (talk) 09:03, 7 July 2015 (PDT)